Abu Hamza charged in the UK at last - 16 charges but only 1 minor terrorism charge

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The notorious former imam of the Finsbury Park Mosque, Abu Hamza al Masri has finally been charged with 16 offences.

"Mr Abu Hamza now faces 10 charges of soliciting to murder under section four of the Offences Against the Person Act of 1861.

Four charges were brought of using threatening, abusive or insulting behaviour with intent to stir up racial hatred"

"Lastly, Mr Abu Hamza faces one count of having threatening, abusive or insulting audio and video recordings"

However, only one minor charge is actually related to terrorism

"He is accused under section 58 of the Terrorism Act of possessing a document which contained information "of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism"

Section 58 'Collection of information' of the Terrorism Act 2000, is so widely drawn that you could, at the whim of the authorities, be charged under it for possessing a telephone directory or many openly available books or magazines, or photographs of public buildings etc.

"(3) It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had a reasonable excuse for his action or possession"

Abu Hamza seems to be a hateful man but there is obviously no proof that he is or was a key member of the Al Quaeda logistics chain, like the USA authorities are trying to paint him as.

Where are the charges involving supply of money, or weapons, or terrorist training, or direction of terrorism, or even membership of a proscribed terrorist organisation ?

The United Kingdom charges take precedence over any extradition attempt by the USA, for crimes mostly alleged to have taken place in the Yemen. The terrorist leader with whom Abu Hamza was in contact with via satellite phone, was executed several years ago by the Yemenis, and so is not available to testify against Abu Hamza. Other charges on the USA indictment, based on testimony of a Guantanamo Bay detainee, who could easily be discredited as a witness who has been totured or having been encouraged to alter his testimony in the hope of pleasing his captors, seem to be equally hard to prove e.g. what USA or UK law actually defines or forbids "violent jihad" as a separate crime ?

It will be quite a surprise if any of the "soliciting to murder" or "racial hatred" charges are actually as a result of Abu Hamza's utterances directed against specific individuals.

Where are the people who are alleged to have been "solicited to murder" sombody ? Will there actually be witnesses appearing in person against Abu Hamza, or will the only evidence be video and tape recordings, which can, of course be faked or edited so easily. ?

How reliable can any such witnesses actually be, given the role of the "undercover" reporter who claims to have infiltrated the Finsbury Park mosque and obtained videos and documents, whilst it was under Abu Hamza's control. This needs to be examined carefully, in case the whole prosecution collapses for similar reasons to recent notorious News of the World "stings" i.e. the payment of witnesses/agent provocateurs.

It seems that there are people who are making money out of the Abu Hamza story e.g. the author of the book "Terror Tracker: an odyssey into pure fear" Neil Doyle, undercover investigator Glen Jenvey who allegedly infiltrated the Abu Hamza's entourage on behalf of Doyle, and video publisher Johnathan Galt who seems to be making the videos of Abu Hamza's "sermons" available.

Given the hype that this book has generated amongst various newspapers and TV programmes in the UK and the USA, we hope that none of the charges being brought against Abu Hamza are the result of tainted "evidence" produced or illegally obtained by these people. Even Abu Hamza's "sermons" are protected by the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 .

Even if they are just amateur meddlers, or unscrupulous "journalists" trying to make money, Abu Hamza's legal defence team are likely to portray their activities as part of a state sponsored conspiracy against him.

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Hello "spy blog",

Nothing in your analysis is true. Let's set the record straight.

Abu Hamza sent us the videos free and clear. You said: 'Abu Hamza's "sermons" are protected by the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988'. Not if Hamza sent us the videos of his own free will -- he wanted us to use the videos and audios to convert other terrorists to his cause. However, we sent the videos to the FBI and the news media, resulting in the conviction of James Ujaama (who said he never knew Hamza under oath) but when the court showed Ujaama in one of the videos we obtained from Hamza, Ujaama was unpleasantly surprised when the video showed him sitting next to Hamza in a conference. This resulted in Ujaama's conviction before a U.S. Federal Court for perjury.

Hamza thought we were evil shiites like he was. We fooled Hamza for over 8 months with our fake website: www.islamic-news.co.uk

You said:

"It seems that there are people who are making money out of the Abu Hamza story ... and the video publisher Johnathan Galt who seems to be making the videos of Abu Hamza's "sermons" available."

Nope, not true, I have yet to see a single pence out of all of this, I'm doing this all for the love of humanity -- so you can't accuse me of making any money off of this whole affair. I hope one day to get Neil Doyle to buy me a pint or two in a pub -- but Neil will attest that it hasn't happened yet.

"Abu Hamza's legal defence team are likely to portray their activities as part of a state sponsored conspiracy against him." -- Nope, isn't true either. I personally am not part of any state -- and no state has ever sponsored me.

The truth is, Abu Hamza sent us the videos! He thought we were one of his terrorist buddies! Abu Hamza is a racist, hateful, evil person. We took him in by using words as hateful and as stupid and evil as his own. Glen Jenvey and I cut/pasted the words off of a hateful Kashmiri website. After several months Hamza was convinced we were real and sent us a pile of video and audio tapes containing intimate details of his hateful sermons:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/730132/posts

The rest is history.

Regards,
-- Johnathan R. Galt.
.

Thanks for the extra details Johnathan.

The impression given by the blurb for Neil Doyle's book (which definately is making money out of the affair, even if you are not) and on his website, was that the Finsbury Park Mosque, whilst it was under the control of Abu Hamza, was *physically* infiltrated by an "undercover reporter", who then "obtained" videos and audio tapes. Some of the contents of such videos or tapes could be protected under copyright and free speech and freedom of religon conventions.

If you are saying that this "undercover investigation" never actually involved physical meetings with Abu Hamza, but was conducted remotely, then that clears up one of the obvious problems with such claims.

However, from an evidential point of view, this surely must be open to legal challenge in a UK court, where US style "entrapment" is illegal, for very good reasons.

How can you actually prove that it was Abu Hamza himself who sent you the videos and tapes ? Why wouldn't Abu Hamza's defence team simply deny that he sent you anything, and that anything that was sent could have been edited out of context ?

It does not matter if you or your friends are actually working for the state authorities or not, the fact that you have muddied the waters of any genuine investigation will only help Abu Hamza to walk free from court.

It is to be hoped that the charges which have finally brought against Abu Hamza in the UK are based on more actual evidence than the dubious USA extradition indictment.

It true al-qaeda have give video's over to me that will put abu hamza and other's in jail and it's true i work for a intelligence service.i have for 20 years been one of the top spies in subject to do with terror for a number of country's.the plot for sept 11th is all on film.the british police are not fan's as it was done all under their nose's i'm a expert like johnathan r galt is.

Just one point Hamza was never an official imam of the mosque he and his extremists bullied their way in he never had a an official office at the Finsbury Park mosque.

The way mosques work is that they are open to the public and regretabbly that can be abused, extremists tried the same thing at a mosque in Wimbledon but with Police help they were prevented from taking over.

in fact it was not neil doyle who led to operation to get video's and information out of finsbury park mosque ,but glen jenvey working for the intelligence services of a common wealth country. the british are not that clever.http://www.glen-jenvey.com


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UK Legislation

The United Kingdom suffers from tens of thousands of pages of complicated criminal laws, and thousands of new, often unenforceable criminal offences, which have been created as a "Pretend to be Seen to Be Doing Something" response to tabloid media hype and hysteria, and political social engineering dogmas. These overbroad, catch-all laws, which remove the scope for any judicial appeals process, have been rubber stamped, often without being read, let alone properly understood, by Members of Parliament.

The text of many of these Acts of Parliament are now online, but it is still too difficult for most people, including the police and criminal justice system, to work out the cumulative effect of all the amendments, even for the most serious offences involving national security or terrorism or serious crime.

Many MPs do not seem to bother to even to actually read the details of the legislation which they vote to inflict on us.

UK Legislation Links

UK Statute Law Database - is the official revised edition of the primary legislation of the United Kingdom made available online, but it is not yet up to date.

UK Commissioners

UK Commissioners some of whom are meant to protect your privacy and investigate abuses by the bureaucrats.

UK Intelligence Agencies

Intelligence and Security Committee - the supposedly independent Parliamentary watchdog which issues an annual, heavily censored Report every year or so. Currently chaired by the Conservative Sir Malcolm Rifkind. Why should either the intelligence agencies or the public trust this committee, when the untrustworthy ex-Labour Minister Hazel Blears is a member ?

Anti-terrorism hotline - links removed in protest at the Climate of Fear propaganda posters

MI5 Security Service
MI5 Security Service - links to encrypted reporting form removed in protest at the Climate of Fear propaganda posters

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Secure Your Fertiliser - advice on ammonium nitrate and urea fertiliser security

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Centre for the Protection of National Infrastructure - "CPNI provides expert advice to the critical national infrastructure on physical, personnel and information security, to protect against terrorism and other threats."

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Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) recruitment.

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Government Communications Headquarters GCHQ

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National Crime Agency - the replacement for the Serious Organised Crime Agency

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Defence Advisory (DA) Notice system - voluntary self censorship by the established UK press and broadcast media regarding defence and intelligence topics via the Defence, Press and Broadcasting Advisory Committee.

Foreign Spies / Intelliegence Agencies in the UK

It is not just the UK government which tries to snoop on British companies, organisations and individuals, the rest of the world is constantly trying to do the same, regardless of the mixed efforts of our own UK Intelligence Agencies who are paid to supposedly protect us from them.

For no good reason, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office only keeps the current version of the London Diplomatic List of accredited Diplomats (including some Foreign Intelligence Agency operatives) online.

Presumably every mainstream media organisation, intelligence agency, serious organised crime or terrorist gang keeps historical copies, so here are some older versions of the London Diplomatic List, for the benefit of web search engine queries, for those people who do not want their visits to appear in the FCO web server logfiles or those whose censored internet feeds block access to UK Government websites.

Campaign Button Links

Watching Them, Watching Us - UK Public CCTV Surveillance Regulation Campaign
UK Public CCTV Surveillance Regulation Campaign

NO2ID Campaign - cross party opposition to the NuLabour Compulsory Biometric ID Card
NO2ID Campaign - cross party opposition to the NuLabour Compulsory Biometric ID Card and National Identity Register centralised database.

Gary McKinnon is facing extradition to the USA under the controversial Extradition Act 2003, without any prima facie evidence or charges brought against him in a UK court. Try him here in the UK, under UK law.
Gary McKinnon is facing extradition to the USA under the controversial Extradition Act 2003, without any prima facie evidence or charges brought against him in a UK court. Try him here in the UK, under UK law.

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FreeFarid.com - Kafkaesque extradition of Farid Hilali under the European Arrest Warrant to Spain

Peaceful resistance to the curtailment of our rights to Free Assembly and Free Speech in the SOCPA Designated Area around Parliament Square and beyond
Parliament Protest blog - resistance to the Designated Area restricting peaceful demonstrations or lobbying in the vicinity of Parliament.

Petition to the European Commission and European Parliament against their vague Data Retention plans
Data Retention is No Solution - Petition to the European Commission and European Parliament against their vague Data Retention plans.

Save Parliament: Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill (and other issues)
Save Parliament - Legislative and Regulatory Reform Bill (and other issues)

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Open Rights Group

The Big Opt Out Campaign - opt out of having your NHS Care Record medical records and personal details stored insecurely on a massive national centralised database.

Tor - the onion routing network
Tor - the onion routing network - "Tor aims to defend against traffic analysis, a form of network surveillance that threatens personal anonymity and privacy, confidential business activities and relationships, and state security. Communications are bounced around a distributed network of servers called onion routers, protecting you from websites that build profiles of your interests, local eavesdroppers that read your data or learn what sites you visit, and even the onion routers themselves."

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Anonymous Blogging with Wordpress and Tor - useful Guide published by Global Voices Advocacy with step by step software configuration screenshots (updated March 10th 2009).

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Amnesty International's irrepressible.info campaign

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BlogSafer - wiki with multilingual guides to anonymous blogging

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NGO in a box - Security Edition privacy and security software tools

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Home Office Watch blog, "a single repository of all the shambolic errors and mistakes made by the British Home Office compiled from Parliamentary Questions, news reports, and tip-offs by the Liberal Democrat Home Affairs team."

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Reporters Without Borders - Reporters Sans Frontières - campaign for journalists 'and bloggers' freedom in repressive countries and war zones.

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Committee to Protect Bloggers - "devoted to the protection of bloggers worldwide with a focus on highlighting the plight of bloggers threatened and imprisoned by their government."

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Icelanders are NOT terrorists ! - despite Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling's use of anti-terrorism legislation to seize the assets of Icelandic banks.

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No CCTV - The Campaign Against CCTV

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I'm a Photographer Not a Terrorist !

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Power 2010 cross party, political reform campaign

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Cracking the Black Box - "aims to expose technology that is being used in inappropriate ways. We hope to bring together the insights of experts and whistleblowers to shine a light into the dark recesses of systems that are responsible for causing many of the privacy problems faced by millions of people."

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Open Rights Group - Petition against the renewal of the Interception Modernisation Programme

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WhistleblowersUK.org - Fighting for justice for whistleblowers