Response to "Is Spy.org.uk wrong to solicit suggestions for FoIA requests?" on James Hammerton's blog

"Is Spy.org.uk wrong to solicit suggestions for FoIA requests?"

Thanks for the interesting blog article James ! It really never occurred to us that anybody would object to our small experiment in exercising our newly granted legal rights under the Freedom of Information Act 2000!

"Spy.org.uk recently asked for suggestions for requests for information to make under the Freedom of Information Act(FoIA).

They will take some of the requests they receive and ask for the information via the FoIA procedures and then track the progress of the requests. This seemed to me to be a valuable exercise in testing out how well FoIA will work in practice, enabling people to hold the government to account for its promises regarding FoIA.

I've received comments from a friend that were very critical of this action (and by implication my support for it). To paraphrase, I was asked if I'd prefer that the security agencies waste time dealing with phoney FoIA requests or if I thought their time was better spent on protecting UK citizens.

I would argue in response that making FoIA requests for the purpose seeing how well FoIA works in practice is an entirely legitimate exercise, so long as it is done with care and they don't flood the govt with frivolous requests.

If they were to carefully choose a handful of requests on the basis of there being a clear public interest in the release of the information, and no strong overriding objections (e.g. no clear reason to invoke the exemptions) then I would argue both that the exercise is a legitimate means of highlighting how well FoIA works in practice and that the burden on the departments processing the requests would be minimal. I hope and expect Spy.org.uk to do this."

James has correctly discerned our approach. If for no other reason than for one of limited resources, we are never going to send in a large number of Freedom of Information Act requests.

"If on the other hand they simply submitted every suggested request without regards to whether the information is already available elsewhere, whether the exemptions would clearly apply and whether the information requested is of real public interest, then I'd agree that would involve a waste of the government's time and resources in processing the requests. I do not support such an exercise."

The Department of Constitutional Affairs FOI Frequently Asked Questions provides the following guidance:

How many requests can I make?
The Act does not specifically limit the number of requests you can make. However, section14 of the Act states that a public authority can reserve the right to refuse any vexatious or repeated requests. This may include repeated requests from the same person for the same information, or requests which are intended to disrupt the authority's work.

This blog does not provide an automated or semi-automated FOIA Request Generator service such as that provided by the Friends of the Earth website or anything modelled on the FaxYourMP.com website.

In any case, the Publication Schemes established by the FOIA in the run up to January 1st this year all, obviously, provide phone, postal addresses, fax and email contacts with the teams of civil servants, well away from the operational "sharp end" of the organisation, who have been tasked and funded to deal with and filter any "vexatious" or "disruptive" requests, and to comply with the Freedom of Information Act 2000, which is the law of the land.

"Note that any FoIA request, valid or otherwise, that is processed by the security services will take time and resources away from their core duties of protecting the country. This point along with the nature of the work they do is, I presume, the prime reason why Section 23 of the FoIA provides an absolute exemption for information supplied by, or relating to, bodies dealing with security matters (see also Section 2 on the effect of the exemptions). GCHQ, MI5 et al are all explicitly listed as being such bodies.

Of course some processing may need to be done by the security services for the purposes of determining whether the information requested is information that is supplied by or related to the security services. However ISTM that only a small fraction of the likely requests would involve the security services and the exemption will minimise the burden imposed by the remainder."

Our first FOIA request, for the publication of the Office of Government Commerce's Gateway Reviews of the Identity Cards Programme has nothing to do with any "Security Services".

Whilst it is true that the Home Office has some control and oversight over the Security Service MI5 and the Police, and that Her Majesty's Treasury has a hand in everyone's wallet, neither the Identity Cards Programme under the Home Office, nor the Office of Government Commerce under the Treasury are "Security Services".

Any FOIA requests to those units should not attract the possible exemptions under "Section 23: Information Supplied by, or Related to, Bodies Dealing with Security Matters" or "Section 24: National Security"

The publication of OGC Gateway Reviews in general, has been called for by the House of Commons Public Accounts Committee, by the Computer and IT trade press, and others, who rightly point out that waiting for the National Audit Office to report months or years after a Government procurement, and especially IT related procurement project has been completed, to show huge delays and massive cost overruns, is far, far too late.

"I'd add that the government has had 4 years since FoIA went through parliament in order to ensure that the security services receive the extra resources they may need to process FoIA requests.

It seems to me obvious that campaigners like spy.org.uk would mount exercises to test the FoIA out to see if, in practice, it delivers on the governments promises related to FoIA and that this is a legitimate exercise so long as it doesn't amount to an attempt to flood the govt with requests. Given that and the 4 year implementation period, failure of the government to adequately resource the security agencies and other departments to deal with FoIA requests would seem to me to be a failure of the government to implement the Act properly and responsibility would lie squarely with the government, not those making the requests."

It is not as if Freedom of Information Acts are something entirely novel and unprecedented, there is plenty of international experience of them in the USA, Australia, New Zealand, canada, Sweden, Germany, France etc. and none of those governments have come to a grinding halt as a result.

About this blog

This United Kingdom based blog has been spawned from Spy Blog, and is meant to provide a place to track our Freedom of Information Act 2000 requests to United Kingdom Government and other Public Authorities.

If you have suggestions for other FOIA requests,  bearing in mind the large list of exemptions, then email them to us, or use the comments facility on this blog, and we will see  what we can do, without you yourself having to come under the direct scrutiny of  "Sir Humphrey Appleby" or his minions.

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